oh, and while i'm at it, musical movements are over-rated. by the time a new musical direction is so widespread and noticed that its become a 'movement' and then a 'fad', its probably barely worth paying attention to. its the bands doing something new, something that you've never heard before, they're the ones to watch. Nirvana when they put out Nevermind, that was where it was at. when Bush put out Sixteen Stone three years later, get off the bus, its too late.